10 things sux vista

1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

I've got OS X installed on an ORIGINAL (circa '98) iMac that only has a 4 GB hard drive installed and even with lots of apps, personal files, etc, I still have 1.5 GB available on the drive.
7.5 GB is insane. The space shuttle doesn't need that much code!

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

Yeah....XP needed 1.5Gigs.... Can someone tell me why vista got so bloated?
"Jared" wrote in message 1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

Yeah....XP needed 1.5Gigs.... Can someone tell me why vista got so bloated?

Are debug symbols embedded in these builds?

John Jay Smith wrote:

Yeah....XP needed 1.5Gigs.... Can someone tell me why vista got so bloated?
"Jared" wrote in message
1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

Gas?

Frank

More features, requires more space. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

Yeah....XP needed 1.5Gigs.... Can someone tell me why vista got so bloated?
"Jared" wrote in message 1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

I gave my answer in the previous reply I made to this post. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

HEY! Wait a minute!!!! Even the most super duper linux distros can be installed on 2 Gig or less, all the rest of the space in linux is for the thousands off applications that come along with the OS!
If you select the barebone OS you can probably install linux on 500 - 800 mb! Ill give you another 200 for a text editor (like wordpad), an outdated lame paint program (like ms paint) a calculator, a media player, a browser and a few other basic apps.
Even MacOSX if I can recall installs on less than 2 gigs....

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message 1. Windows Security dialog box Still a work in progress, actually, I think it has gotten worst in build 5365, I don't like that it tints the screen when a particular program requires that it be allowed before it executes. On top of that, it does not take advantage of DWM.
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box What are you talking about? Is it the one accessible from the properties of the executable under the Comptability tab?
3. explorer CPU usage Its not that bad in BETA 2 and will continue to be fixed as the beta progresses, remember, we are still at BETA 1/Interim releases regardless you see that build tag saying beta 2.
4. Drivers all failed to install Well, this is your opportunity to start contacting the manufacturers of those devices and also submit feedback using the Microsoft BETA Client to ensure that at least by RTM you will have available drivers or BETA ones to utilize your hardware.
5. No treview in explorer window Its in 5365 and list view is coming back in RC1 I think.
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore Yes you can, Click Start > right click Computer > under Task, click the "Advance System Settings" link > select the System Restore (tab) > under "Automatic Restore Points" uncheck the box for the drive on which Vista installed. You can remove existing restore points except the last one using Disk Clean up.
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail' You mean after installing Microsoft Office? I think this one is a known issue, you can place shortcut though on the menu by naviagating to x:\program files\Windows Mail > right click the WinMail icon > select Send To: > Desktop. You can then drag it to the Start button and it will appear on the Start Menu Panel.
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time Well, I don't know which build of Vista you are using, it possible you might need a BIOS update. Options to turn off your hard disk and display are available under Control Panel > Power Options > Edit Plan Settings. It works for me. Did not in build 5112 and 5219.
9. No magneta in mspaint Open Paint, click the Colors drop down menu > on the Edit Colors dialogue click "Define Custom Colors: > create your Magenta > click Add to Custom Colors.
10. 7.5 gig after clean install This is like the Moores Law of Windows, new versions of Windows will always require more hard disk space. Have you checked out OS X and Linux, not to mention Unix? They eat considerable amounts of disk space if you were to install the entire contents of their disk. Also, I think Windows Vista BETA has some debugged code that might be removed before RTM which will reduce the space required. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jared" wrote in message 1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

HEY! Wait a minute!!!! Even the most super duper linux distros can be installed on 2 Gig or less, all the rest of the space in linux is for the thousands off applications that come along with the OS!
If you select the barebone OS you can probably install linux on 500 - 800 mb! Ill give you another 200 for a text editor (like wordpad), an outdated lame paint program (like ms paint) a calculator, a media player, a browser and a few other basic apps.
Even MacOSX if I can recall installs on less than 2 gigs....

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

1. Windows Security dialog box Still a work in progress, actually, I think it has gotten worst in build 5365, I don't like that it tints the screen when a particular program requires that it be allowed before it executes. On top of that, it does not take advantage of DWM.
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box What are you talking about? Is it the one accessible from the properties of the executable under the Comptability tab?
3. explorer CPU usage Its not that bad in BETA 2 and will continue to be fixed as the beta progresses, remember, we are still at BETA 1/Interim releases regardless you see that build tag saying beta 2.
4. Drivers all failed to install Well, this is your opportunity to start contacting the manufacturers of those devices and also submit feedback using the Microsoft BETA Client to ensure that at least by RTM you will have available drivers or BETA ones to utilize your hardware.
5. No treview in explorer window Its in 5365 and list view is coming back in RC1 I think.
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore Yes you can, Click Start > right click Computer > under Task, click the "Advance System Settings" link > select the System Restore (tab) > under "Automatic Restore Points" uncheck the box for the drive on which Vista installed. You can remove existing restore points except the last one using Disk Clean up.
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail' You mean after installing Microsoft Office? I think this one is a known issue, you can place shortcut though on the menu by naviagating to x:\program files\Windows Mail > right click the WinMail icon > select Send To: > Desktop. You can then drag it to the Start button and it will appear on the Start Menu Panel.
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time Well, I don't know which build of Vista you are using, it possible you might need a BIOS update. Options to turn off your hard disk and display are available under Control Panel > Power Options > Edit Plan Settings. It works for me. Did not in build 5112 and 5219.
9. No magneta in mspaint Open Paint, click the Colors drop down menu > on the Edit Colors dialogue click "Define Custom Colors: > create your Magenta > click Add to Custom Colors.
10. 7.5 gig after clean install This is like the Moores Law of Windows, new versions of Windows will always require more hard disk space. Have you checked out OS X and Linux, not to mention Unix? They eat considerable amounts of disk space if you were to install the entire contents of their disk. Also, I think Windows Vista BETA has some debugged code that might be removed before RTM which will reduce the space required. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jared" wrote in message 1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

Hey,
Yeah and of course it would depend on what version you install. ;)
Take Care,
Will
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

1. Windows Security dialog box Still a work in progress, actually, I think it has gotten worst in build 5365, I don't like that it tints the screen when a particular program requires that it be allowed before it executes. On top of that, it does not take advantage of DWM.
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box What are you talking about? Is it the one accessible from the properties of the executable under the Comptability tab?
3. explorer CPU usage Its not that bad in BETA 2 and will continue to be fixed as the beta progresses, remember, we are still at BETA 1/Interim releases regardless you see that build tag saying beta 2.
4. Drivers all failed to install Well, this is your opportunity to start contacting the manufacturers of those devices and also submit feedback using the Microsoft BETA Client to ensure that at least by RTM you will have available drivers or BETA ones to utilize your hardware.
5. No treview in explorer window Its in 5365 and list view is coming back in RC1 I think.
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore Yes you can, Click Start > right click Computer > under Task, click the "Advance System Settings" link > select the System Restore (tab) > under "Automatic Restore Points" uncheck the box for the drive on which Vista installed. You can remove existing restore points except the last one using Disk Clean up.
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail' You mean after installing Microsoft Office? I think this one is a known issue, you can place shortcut though on the menu by naviagating to x:\program files\Windows Mail > right click the WinMail icon > select Send To: > Desktop. You can then drag it to the Start button and it will appear on the Start Menu Panel.
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time Well, I don't know which build of Vista you are using, it possible you might need a BIOS update. Options to turn off your hard disk and display are available under Control Panel > Power Options > Edit Plan Settings. It works for me. Did not in build 5112 and 5219.
9. No magneta in mspaint Open Paint, click the Colors drop down menu > on the Edit Colors dialogue click "Define Custom Colors: > create your Magenta > click Add to Custom Colors.
10. 7.5 gig after clean install This is like the Moores Law of Windows, new versions of Windows will always require more hard disk space. Have you checked out OS X and Linux, not to mention Unix? They eat considerable amounts of disk space if you were to install the entire contents of their disk. Also, I think Windows Vista BETA has some debugged code that might be removed before RTM which will reduce the space required. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jared" wrote in message 1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

Yeah....XP needed 1.5Gigs.... Can someone tell me why vista got so bloated?
"Jared" wrote in message

1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

1. Windows Security dialog box Still a work in progress, actually, I think it has gotten worst in build 5365, I don't like that it tints the screen when a particular program requires that it be allowed before it executes. On top of that, it does not take advantage of DWM.
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box What are you talking about? Is it the one accessible from the properties of the executable under the Comptability tab?
3. explorer CPU usage Its not that bad in BETA 2 and will continue to be fixed as the beta progresses, remember, we are still at BETA 1/Interim releases regardless you see that build tag saying beta 2.
4. Drivers all failed to install Well, this is your opportunity to start contacting the manufacturers of those devices and also submit feedback using the Microsoft BETA Client to ensure that at least by RTM you will have available drivers or BETA ones to utilize your hardware.
5. No treview in explorer window Its in 5365 and list view is coming back in RC1 I think.
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore Yes you can, Click Start > right click Computer > under Task, click the "Advance System Settings" link > select the System Restore (tab) > under "Automatic Restore Points" uncheck the box for the drive on which Vista installed. You can remove existing restore points except the last one using Disk Clean up.
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail' You mean after installing Microsoft Office? I think this one is a known issue, you can place shortcut though on the menu by naviagating to x:\program files\Windows Mail > right click the WinMail icon > select Send To: > Desktop. You can then drag it to the Start button and it will appear on the Start Menu Panel.
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time Well, I don't know which build of Vista you are using, it possible you might need a BIOS update. Options to turn off your hard disk and display are available under Control Panel > Power Options > Edit Plan Settings. It works for me. Did not in build 5112 and 5219.
9. No magneta in mspaint Open Paint, click the Colors drop down menu > on the Edit Colors dialogue > click "Define Custom Colors: > create your Magenta > click Add to Custom Colors.
10. 7.5 gig after clean install This is like the Moores Law of Windows, new versions of Windows will always require more hard disk space. Have you checked out OS X and Linux, not to mention Unix? They eat considerable amounts of disk space if you were to install the entire contents of their disk. Also, I think Windows Vista BETA has some debugged code that might be removed before RTM which will reduce the space required. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jared" wrote in message

1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

Might help posting what the version # is of this Vista you used.
-- Jason
Applied but still waiting to be accepted for the Vista Beta Testing group. Can't wait to be able to play and help make it even better.
http://www.orderpcs4free.com/?r=878
MS Windows XP Pro, IE 7.0.5335.5 Beta 2
"Jared" wrote in message

1. Windows Security dialog box
2. Program compatibility Assistant dialog box
3. explorer CPU usage
4. Drivers all failed to install
5. No treview in explorer window
6. Possibly no option to disable system restore
7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'
8. Can't sleep hard disks after idle time
9. No magneta in mspaint
10. 7.5 gig after clean install

Jared wrote:

4. Drivers all failed to install

That's to be expected and happens with any binary driver you're trying to install from an older version of an OS into a newer OS. Problem with closed-source environments is you have to work with what they give you, you can't just solve the problem yourself if you have the time and skill.

6. Possibly no option to disable system restore

Not necessarily a bad thing unless you have a real backup method in place.

7. No shortcut for 'Windows Mail'

Isn't that user-fixable with a shortcut?

9. No magneta in mspaint

The GIMP fixes that, haven't tried it in Vista, though.

10. 7.5 gig after clean install

Debian fixes that. 110MB on clean install, about 800MB for all the software necessary for a reasonably complete office productivity desktop.
-- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): baloo@ursine.ca Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber